thank you very much travis for your help in finding me some answers to my questions...but what are these other jokers saying refering to, rich hanover & gene trimble's..dont want to disrespect anyone, and know that i have seen there names all over the place,so they must be some bigshots in the area of collecting chips, but the way i see it, if there going to put there comments in on my questions, they should at least make sense. gene and rich, would recomend to both of you that if you dont know something,dont pass the buck,or make stupid jokes,as i think you know better than that.hope you both get a chance to read this,as far as i can see, and the reading i have done in this chat room there are alot of nice helpful people,weather they agree with me or not at least said what they thought.