I guess the bottom line is they pretty much ruined the brass chip market. I had a one of a kind Harrahs $500 that was legit, I sold it a couple of years ago for 1/3 of what it would have brought before the monkey business started. I also wonder what is out there that Mel had "commissioned" through his Reliable deal. It's kind of sad because I think the brass are some of the greatest old chips in the hobby.