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Re: I N S U R A N C E
In Response To: I N S U R A N C E ()

The following may be a helpful read:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Item-Lost-in-the-Mail-Your-Seller-IS-Responsible_W0QQugidZ10000000004889867

After reading this article, I may never sell anything again without charging insurance as part of shipping and handling or self-insure. Someone awhile back posted the link to where you can buy personal insurance that covers your deliveries, maybe it can be posted again. Maybe all "bigger" sellers should strongly consider this option and maybe having said insurance can be considered another layer on top of being a member that will add to a seller's reputation.

Before reading this article on ebay, I did not side with Rick because I felt he should have insured the package. I considered that inaction to be a mistake. Now, my gut tells me if anyone selling any decently-priced item does not insure your delivery, you may not want to choose to deal with him/her for this reason. For many reasons, buying a cheap $1 chip may not be worth the hassle of paying for insurance, but it may be a good idea not to deal with anyone who won't guarantee your delivery in advance in writing. Dealing with strangers certainly makes that easier to insist on. Dealing with another club member - this should never be an issue.

The seller - especially from member to member - should charge whatever he feels is necessary to insure a safe delivery. Since the post office is not 100% reliable, adding the cost of postal insurance or a surcharge to cover part of your personal self-insurance (thru a 3rd party as mentioned above) is almost a necessary part of the cost of doing business these days. Also, for any decently-priced merchandise, adding delivery confirmation is also a good idea for any seller to cover themselves. Now, sellers may not choose these options, but if they choose not to add these extra costs-of-doing-business charges to their selling procedures, "the seller" need to recognize their responsibility when a shipper such as the post office fails to deliver.

Just my 2 cents fwiw.

Steve

P.S. There are obviously a few facts that muddy the waters in this particular case. (1) The auction was intended for a sale to a US customer as was the invoice; (2) Seller apparently agreed to ship to Canada anyway, but did not change the terms of the auction to accommodate for this fact and for the fact delivery confirmation is not always possible; however, seller agreed to this risk without any additional cost required; (3) insurance listed in auction was for to the US, but was this really an option to Canada? (4) is shipping of non-registered-mail items of monetary value thru customs insurable? The last two times I shipped out of country - to be fair to Australia and Italy - I was not allowed to be truthful in claiming I was shipping items of monetary value. If the answer is not cut and dry, does a buyer from Canada not assume some risk knowing this fact if no actions are made to insure a delivery? (5) Frequent buyers from Canada may know significantly more about shipping from the US to Canada since they do it much more than most sellers from the US. Do they not have a obligation to make it clear how the process works and what the risks are? Since it costs more to ship for a US buyer and requires a trip to the post office and the completion of a customs form, is it not incumbent on a buyer from Canada to make sure they make clear what needs to be done for a successful transaction? Is asking "do you ship to Canada?" sufficient considering the ramifications of the added difficulties, costs and procedures as completely known to the buyer from Canada?

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Courtesy and professionalism...a question
hit 'em with the negative.
Here are his negs...see any similarities?
This is a member?....WOW!!!
With all those negs ...
Re: With all those negs ...I was warned
WOW! Less than 30 seconds after my post...
Something positive from another member
Rick, can you post his ebay name?
email me and I will give it to you
Rick Can I have money too? LOL....
Holy Hot Controversy Batman
Isn't there a 30 time limit on feedback?
Re: Isn't there a 30 time limit on feedback?
Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
Re: Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
Re: Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
What a load of crap!
Rick Is 100% Correct
I'll bet you 100 chips that the USPS will tell any
Wrong
Let's hope it doesn't get to "a court of law" grin
Rick, I think you are way out of line.
David with all due respect...
"you are not privy to the emails"
Well David...since you ask...
A poor attitude from you also.
I disagree with you, David
Opinion noted, and I will add......
Re: A poor attitude from you also.
OK, lets be realistic for a minute.
Re: OK, lets be realistic for a minute.
Aye Carumba.....David,David,
Re: Aye Carumba.....David,David,
I was told that I could NOT insure To Canada
Priority mail to Canada is insured
Re: What a load of crap!
Wow.....
Josh.........
Re: Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Re: Here is my thinking
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Send it to Vegas!
Re: Send it to Vegas!
Here is what to do.......
But who knows.......
Question for Rick
My take on "Insurance"
Re: Question for Rick
Raises a question though........
Re: Raises a question though........
At the end of the day though,
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Am I the only person who noticed this...?
Good Point
HOLD ON GUYS.....
Re: Am I the only person who noticed this...?
Re: Am I the only person who noticed this...?
Code of Ethics?
Re: Code of Ethics?
I agree ......
I don't want to go that route
Re: I agree ......
We Have Been Over This Before and
Just a suggestion
Everyone has an opinion, so do I
I would never ship anything of value w/o insurance
So, Rick... Care to tell the class what you've ..
I learned this:
Rick you sure have a lot of bad luck!
Since you asked for opinions, here's mine...
Why is it so hard to understand the risk of loss?
Maybe you can sleep at night with that...
I N S U R A N C E
Show me a link to the auction...
I haven't read the auction description ...
Under insurance, it says, "none"
INSURANCE WAS NOT OFFERED!
THEN WHY DID SPRAGG SAY IT WAS; AND YOU REFUSED IT
No idea and because this has gone on for far too l
Lets end this discussion..this is getting silly
Don't be a liar Rick
Re: Don't be a liar Rick
Yawn.............
Re: I N S U R A N C E
Re: Maybe you can sleep at night with that...
Oops. I didn't mean for my post...
You are a fine, upstanding guy, Brian
Re: Wherer is the basic rule of law..
It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Re: It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Re: It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Re: It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Yes...
Re: Yes...
Re: Yes...
Re: litigated to death long ago
Find a case that shows that I'm wrong
Here's the "UCC" From Cornell Univ Law School site
See Part 3: § 2-301 General Obligations of Parties
It's UCC section 2-509
ok here's my rebuttal argument grin ...
Nice try vbg
Re: Nice try vbg
In this case, Gene, you are wrong
Re:Sorry I pitched the fork grin
Wait, Aaron Should Be Around Soon vbg
Not that soon I wouldn't think
Who needs Aaron, anyway? We have Gene to interpret
Re: you are wrong Maybe Not!!!
ok, now you have me
Thanks, Michael.
One final point
PLease
Rich, you have holes in your example...
Re: Rich, you have holes in your example...
I guess we can agree to disagree...
Re: I guess we can agree to disagree...
arrrg!!!
I'm done.
Also I wanted to say thanks for the debate...
Here's a better example:
I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Mailing receipt ..
Excellent point, Michael (about no insurance).
You are 100% correct , Barry
I don't agree .......................
Yes, as I noted elsewhere ...
Good grief John....
"Good grief.."? Josh shows us he offered insurance
OK HERE'S MY 2 CENTS ON THIS SUBJECT!!!!!!!!
Hmmmm...guess this isn't going away
Geez... I looked at your auction and don't see....
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question

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