Both Phaender & Staeffler show the Lido hub as from Gardenia; Hertel & TGT have it from K.C. Maybe Gene knows. When I bought mine a "pro" who will go nameless had it in from K.C. I also have a KC Lido w/diamonds as from K.C. Joe's Club is as Dick noted from California--Sacramento; the others are either listed as Unknowns in TGT or are as yet unidentified.