Hi Bob, I'm Greg's other backer on the convention run. I really don't have an opinion on the whole roulette subject, I've been on both sides of the table, I don't harvsest roulettes myself because I have multiple gaming license, and I'm not sure what would happen should someone pressed the issue, but I love the chips for my collection. I guess if someone feels that's being a bit hypecritical so be it. Jim