Thanks for all the explanations Gene. I understand most of what you are saying. I also understand that when I posted the question about the card room chip, no one knew FOR SURE of it's status. All this doesn't hurt my wallet because I only do $1's. These seem to be the only ones I have that are currently in question. BUT there are others that have collected hi denom's that may take it on the chin more than me. I guess as long as the truth comes out, that is better than if it never does.. Thanks for your insight! cd