well,bob, at least you have a sence of humor.
once again you start wrong. jay and archie only posted to atack me, spelling,punctuation, am i a club member, idont read the board. your second point is as wrong as your saying " coin collecting in no longer a hobby" silly.how do you know what a slabbing co. will do, xray wise,or tooling up. are you a tool maker? i own a plastic injection mold shop and i know what it would cost to "tool up". you state "the experts are in the hobby". thats what ive been saying.
since your not drunk or stupid, take your blinders off. as to your last point, money is the great motivator, cheaters will always cheat even if you dont let them in the convention and as you stated whalen still has club members as customers.