now im a liar , ihave read this board for many years and i dont care what you say or think. you betray your true agenda when you start out calling me a liar and then attacking every point i make, when, if i read or dont read this board is not relevent to any thing. go away as i will not debate a single minded attack dog zealot like you or orme. oh , i know who you are , big deal, old time club member. i make a civil thoughtful post, answering a civil thoughtful question by gene and i get this.