orme most ceyainly is an attack dog, he attacked me and many others over the years for what he percieves as a pro slabbing stance. I am not pro slabbing for the sake of slabbing. I only want to be protected from the whalens of the world, and since the decievers are getting good, maybe its time to rethink slabbing of high value chips. as for being civil , it works both ways. insinuations and false accuasations are not very civil, as is ormes mo,and he called glen an idiot,why no public dressdown for him ?