I wrote the source a note that we are having Marv as a guest speaker at the ANA Seminar in July and that he should have a staff member attend the week to get some more realistic picture of chip and token collecting. Archie, please give him the info on the ANA Seminar when you contact them. AND the rest of your had better get your applications in since only the first 10 will receive subsidized tuition etc. Thanks, Mel and Wan - Li