one debator thinks he is tall, goodlooking, very smart, strong, and a world class athlete.(this is a good clue about the guy) However, many others think he is wrong, stubborn, dumb,and a coward. The long disagreement basically about the word RARE. Advertisers trying to sell products often use wild claims that are borderline lies. But not the chip collecting club, we have a standard that members of the club use, which is basically be honest and fair when selling a chip or chips.This is a good thing. It is so easy to over describe and over sell when selling a chip. It sometimes is a lack of knowledge, or inexperience that causes a false word. However, when a mistake is pointed out by many experienced chippers, and that person refuses to accecpt the proven facts that he is wrong, then is the time to tell him go to H***.