... Stu:

jim: initial post fairly lengthy with statement of bona fides, discussion of policy issues and impersonal expression of my opinions

stu: characterization of my opinions as "modern day PC hogwash", "disrespectful", "hogwash" and "UNpatriotic". No response re the policy issues; no response to the question, "What if the cause ISN'T just?"

jim: further impersonal discussion of political issue with supporting historical quotes

stu: no response re "additional wasted deaths"; characterization of my opinions as: "not even worth addressing", "PC hypocrisy", "makes me sick", "I don't give a hoot" and "Anyone that would deem such a comment to be "patriotic duty" is either a moron or from France and you can quote *me* on that."

jim: characterization of the foregoing as name-calling ("moron") and xenophobia ("from France") (both of which BTW are accurate characterizations); and charaterization of your comment as "the weapon of last resort for the persistently benighted" (now that WAS a shot)

Which brings us to your latest response:

>>>> ... name-calling and xenophobia -- the weapon of last resort for the persistently benighted:

>> Oh look at this typical liberal BS.

Is it "liberal BS" because it takes exception to being called a "moron" or because it objects to your xenophobic reference to France?

>> I'm not "enlightened" enough to have a conversation with this fool ...

More name calling.

>> ... so I'm labeled a xenophobe (presumeably because I am
>> "afraid" to be enlightened by his wisdom) and he gives up.

I characterized your comment as xenophobic because of the gratuitous slam against the French, not because of your recalcitrance regarding my opinions.

I'm ready to "give up" because you won't engage on the issues (i.e., answer the substantive questions I posed) and apparently prefer to express yourself with personal insults, derogatory comments, demagoguery and name calling.

>> Sorry that you couldn't convert me the liberal cult way of thinking ...

Another example of your personally insulting attitude.

>> ... there bucko ...

And name calling.

>> ... but I'm not some uneducated welfare recipient looking for a handout from you.

I never suggested you were, nor do I recall offering one. Exactly what did that comment have to do with the issues of supporting the troops and/or dissent from the government's policy in Iraq?

>>>> No point in any further discussion.

>> First intelligent thing you've said in this discussion.

Well, I'm still waiting for yours.

Feel free to take a closing shot, Stu, but now I am done with this.

----- jim o\-S