"I've heard that but don't buy it. Pro-drug people have beaten that one to death (and the marijuana for medicinal use one too)"

You can believe what you like. Personally I never bought the rhetoric either. Because of that, while in a joint Columbia Law School/Brooklyn Law SChool seminar on drug policy with Federal Judge Jack Weinstein, I spent the entire semester researching and writing a paper on Dutch drug policy and the results. I based my findings on numerous DUtch and American government studies. And I can assure you, marijuana use among Dutch residents went down after legalization. I can send you the citations if you want to look the facts up yourself.

"Then they are not really users yet"

It cracks me uphow some people figure that anyone who doesn't fit their mold of addiction eventually will.

"That's a pretty small sliver of the pie for music as a whole! I admit for Rock and Roll it is a huge piece of the pie. Drugs have been scattered in most all proffessions over the centuries, but it is not the catalyst for success."

I'm not talking about simply Rock N Roll. Look at Jazz. Drug use was rampant in the jazz world. And take a look at Motzart's life. Loads of substance abuse there. ANd did you know that Ulyses S Grant was only able to write his memoirs in the months before his death because his publisher Mark Twain (Samuel Celemns, whatever) receommended he use cocaine. Maybe that's not fair, most writers are notorious for their drinkign , not llegal drug use. But same thing if you ask me.

Thanks for the debate