Sorry, I didn't mean to offend the LE collector. I as well got started in the hobby collecting LE's. It just seems that in the last few years more and more people are getting turned off by how some of the LE's have been handled, not to mention how many of them come out on a regular basis. It was not my intention to discourage people from collecting LE's. Andy, as you know, you sold me my first casino chip not purchased directly from a casino!!