Everything that Gene has posted regarding these chips is correct. Steve Passalacqua and I are writing an article on the subject for the club magazine. We would like to offer the info to all collectors, not just ones on this board. In the meantime, buy any of these chips you wish, but realize that they are all counterfeit. We will tell how to know the difference between these chips that were ordered by one person after the casinos closed, and authentic coin center, smooth molded chips.