John that’s terrific I’m not a coin dealer/ collector or member of the ANA ....I know our hobby has a lot of people from the coin hobby that have also joined over to the chip hobby....And that’s great they bring a lot of knowledge and information with them but we shouldn’t just copy everything the ANA does we are the CCA ...I just wanna see things happen before everybody disappears in our hobby the ones that are in the Hall of Fame it seems have no sense of urgency to fulfill their obligations and keep the Hall of Fame special with new Appointments