There have been several recent posts on the ChipBoard concerning Joe Pavlik. I do not want to speak ill of the departed, but I need to express an opposing voice about him. Not everyone is all good or all evil. There is some good and bad in all of us. Joe apparently had good relations with many in the club and that is great. I personally had only positive interactions with him. However, there are others with very different stories. Joe's attitudes and behavior brought out almost violent opposition to his presence in the club, mainly because of his attitude towards women. From the stories that I heard, I think that they are justified. My recommendation is that before you go praising someone, you should know the whole story about him. Enough said.