Gene,

Respect your opinion more than most, although I respect every one's opinion, even if or more so when they disagree with me, as I am usually wrong,lol.

-Based on your last post, you agree with me that they are not true "casino Chips", but "other" as you call it. Based on that, I suppose you agree that these should not be classified as real casino-chips or be treat as if they were one of them.

- I now know that Bill was a great guy and helped the hobby inmensly, main reason for many to treat his chips as real casino chips, basically to honor him. I think we should honor him if he deserved it, but there are many other ways to honor people other making their fantasy real.

- I also now get that the Borland chips are an important part of the hobby. If so, we should defenetly include them in the Annals of casino chips History, but not enough reason to give them properties that they simply do not have

- Others have claimed that they are part of casino history just like other casino memorabilia, matches, ashtrays, pens etc. My problem with that is that all these items share something the Borland fantasy chips do not. They were all part of or were made to be part of the casino with which they share their names. The fantasies were never made or ever were meant to be used at any casino, so, what casino can we attribute them or put them under in a guide or catalog. Because the fact is that they were used in the casino they share the name as much as my preffered chair! And my chair is great but by no mean I can classify it as a casino chip.

Based on what I have heard today, and I missed my trip by staying in the computer listening to opinions, these fantasy chips are very important to many, many feel that they are an important part of the History of chipping, and they loved the guy that made them,.

So my suggestion is to:

1- Make a special section in the guide for the Borland chips... just like we have for other non-casino chips...advertising chips...prost. chips..etc. but do not include them under the page used to show real casino memorabilia. This will actually help the Borland collector, as this becomes a guide for them.

2- Take them off the "Casino Chips" pages of TCR or any other and include them in the back with the "non-casino chips..or "others".. Then, giving them a value would help but will not legitimize them in any way as true casino chips & will not confuse new collectors. In fact this may enhance collecting the Borlands, but not as true casino chips.

I know all these is just creating extra work, why shake the boat? but, Sometimes it takes an obsessive-compulsive purist jerk like me to put certain things in order which will help future collectors understand the different parts of our beloved hobby, for the rest of us are dogs too old to change.