of the testimony from the Kefauver hearings...
(you have a much more interesting way of telling the story than these guys...yawwwwnn....)

The Chairman. How many Mills boys do you know? How many
brothers does Henry Mills have?

Mr. Clancy. I don't know how many brothers he's got.

The Chairman. Several of them, aren't there? Two or three?

Mr. Clancy. I think there are three or four.

The Chairman. Have you had any business relations with any of
them ?

Mr. Clancy. None that I know of.

The Chairman. Do you know Osmond Litolff?

Mr. Clancy. I do.

The Chairman. Have you ever had any business operations with
liim?

Mr. Clancy. None that I know of.

The Chairman. Do any lottery operations take place in Jefferson
Parish ?

Mr. Clancy. That I decline to answer on the grounds that it may
tend to incriminate me.

The Chairman. Sheriff, do you know Frank Costello ?

Mr. Clancy. No, sir; I do not.

The Chairman. You never have met him ?

Mr. Clancy. Never met him, and never seen him.

The Chairman. Do you have any interest in any coin machine
•company ?

Mr. Clancy. No, sir.

The Chairman. Did you ever receive any money from any slot-
machine or coin-machine company?

Mr. Clancy. That I decline to answer on the ground that it may
tend to incriminate me.

The Chairman. Now, there was a suit brought to padlock certain
clubs about 4 years ago out in Jefferson Parish, wasn't there, about
which some lawyer here this morning has testified ?

Mr. Clancy. That is right. There was a suit filed.

The Chairman. Do you know anything about anything being of-
fered this lawyer James I. McCain or the people to lay off the suit?

Mr. Clancy. I don't know the first thing about that.

The Chairman. You don't know anything about it ?

Mr. Clancy. No.

Mr. Chairman. Do you know anything about some offer to a min-
ister for money to build a Sunday school in the event he would with-
draw his prosecution of this suit?

Mr. Clancy. I don't know anything about that.

The Chairman. Now, what business do you have with the Truckers
Ice & Cold Storao:e Co., or did you have?

Mr. Clancy. My wife had an interest in there. She inherited it
from her father.

The Chairman. Is that operated in Jefferson Parish ?

Mr. Clancy. In Kenner.

The Chairman. What sort of ice was that that this company han-
dled?

Mr. Clancy. Real ice.

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The Chairman. You seem to know something about real ice, and
by your use of the adjective

Mr. Clancy, I heard that expression before.

The Chairman. "Other ice." Wliat other kind of ice are you talk-
ing about, Sheriff?

Mr. Clancy. Well, that I decline to answer.

The Chairman. You decline to answer?

Mr. Clancy. Tliat is right. I don't know; I just heard that ex-
pression.

The Chairman. Prior to 1940 did you hear about some other kind
of ice besides real ice ?

Mr. Clancy. No, sir. I heard it here yesterday for the first time.

The Chairman. That is the first time you have heard that?

Mr. Clancy. That's right.

The Chairman. Did you ever get any of this other sort of ice ?

Mr. Clancy. That I decline to answer. Senator, on the ground it
would tend to incriminate me.

The Chairman. We are not talking about the cold ice, now, that
this storage and ice company would make. We are talking about ice
tliat might be used to give to people for some kind of protection. Did
you ever get any of that sort of "ice" ?

Mr. Clancy. That I decline to answer on the ground it may tend
to incriminate me.

Mr. Rice. Senator Tobey calls that "the purchase of official toler-
ance."

The Chairman, Well, Sheriff, it is a sad commentary that the sheriff
of a great parish out liere can't tell what you are doing to enforce the
laws. Of all the people that such a question should not tend to
incriminate ought to be the sheriff of the parish.

Mr. Talbot, Well, that is a matter of legal position, Mr. Chairman.

The Chairman. That's right.

Mr. Talbot. We would not like to have that comment on the record.

The Chairman. The sheriff looks like a very affable sort of fellow.

Mr. Talbot. He is a fine man. Everybody in Jefferson Parish
thought so for about 28 years.

The Chairman. All right, Mr, Clancy.

Mr. Talbot. Are you going to have Mr. Cassange next ?

The Chairman. All right. Sheriff; we will have to take this matter
u]3 with the committee. I regret that is true.

Mr, Clancy, That is right,

Tlie Chairman, I am sure you realize you cannot get by with this
sort of testimony,

Mv. Talbot, We will take that up and meet it when it comes.

The Chairman, You will remain under subpena, but we will either
notify you or your attorney when to come back.

(Witness excused.)

Here's a link to more testimony from the Kefauver hearings.

http://www.archive.org/stream/investigationofo08unit/investigationofo08unit_djvu.txt