About listing, basically saying it devalues the chip because now you can't say it's not even listed in the guide or such. I am guilty of saying that but that hasn't deterred me from listing some of my better chips. I do wish these people with chips not pictured or listed from Casinos or Clubs would submit them but it's their parogative to do so. A lot of pictures missing and listings we don't even know exist, oh well if we can only educate our club and see if they all can put these historic beauties before profit is the better way, but you can hardly blame people to try and get the most they can for their rare chips. Some are locked away in collections and may never see the light of day except to maybe change hands, like my $100 New China, Reno chip that has finally appeared out of a safe after being locked up for years, I did submit it with the help of a member, Torrey