Gene, I guess the evidence you have shown is enough for me to go with. Thanks, It's not that I don't believe you,just what else do I have to go by.I look at Thechipguide, ,My California Book,and shows and describes it as the one I have.But you have evidence of shipping to and the chip guide shows only the one you have said and being illegal.Thank you and if you ever see any chips like this one I appreciate being kept honest,I know Ed Hertel has the same problem as well with the chips he has listed in his Illegals,some have been found to belong to tother Clubs too.That's all part of this great world of chip collecting and experience and knowledge like yours is a valuable source,Thanks again,Torrey