You both did a great job in answering my question....I will have some of the original patches made by BeBe's tomorrow and they are classics....When I am in Las Vegas next month I think I will go by the 8th. Street and the Charleston addresses and take a look, then on to Meade to see if the folks there remember anything....Again, thanks to both of you....people like you make this hobby so much fun.....see you soon, Jim