Level is a good description. I don't have the exact numbers at hand but registrations were close to last year, we only had one less table sold than last year, the overall bill from the Southpoint was within a few hunderd dollars of last year, promotions sold almost $2000 more than last year, I heard that one seminar had around 100 attendees which is excellent, there were a few fewer attendees at the banquet but the sitdown meal was very good. Overall everyone had a good time even if I only got to go to one trading session and none of the seminars.