Just because you are now part owner of the Chip Rack doesn't give you the authority to now say that Doug Saito, James Campiglia, Howdy Herz, Jim Blanchard and David Sarles are all wrong. And for your information I have called David on this and he confirms that he has spoken to Jim Blanchard on this issue and they both agree that the Pioneer Club $5 arrowdie is most likely late 1940's and Burt records do go back to mid 1951 and the Pioneer $5 definetly predates the records. So don't tell me to check with Jim and David, I aready have so when you say that these VS chips are eventually worthless, get you $@#%ing facts straight before you start making claims without the correct information. David, a piece of advice for you. Don't come into the hobby 20 years after many others and start saying that they are wrong. Bad move my friend.