The Binions Horseshoe Casino NCV chips that are in James book as used in the wsop 95, and in TCR as made in 95, were in fact used in the 87 WSOP and later, and maybe earlier {know this from watching a few old tapes} does anybody know when in fact they were manufactured and first put into play.I somewhat collect wsop chips and from collecting some illegals,like Gene says I like to see the proof.If anybody knows when they first came out I'd like to know,Thanks Dave