I don't think I was laying blame on the union or management... I was just stating a fact.

Do laid off workers getting 95% of thier wages help or hurt the siruation REGARDLESS who agreed to it? But I will lay some blame on the unions, they don't deserve it all but they do get some. There are a LOT who have contributed to it. The unions did what they are supposed to do get the most for their workers, the management allowed the union to bite off more than the company could live with, so did the CEO and BOD's. Everyone ate the golden goose and then wonders where the golden eggs went.

You are correct with NAFTA the list could go on to 100 reasons I just quit at 10.