I know what you mean. I tried Paypal a few years ago, only to have extra e-mail spam and security-related payment issues. I stopped using Paypal and went back to using good-old fashioned money orders. I don't like where E-Bay is heading and will stop using E-Bay (too bad, I'm just 2 feedbacks short of 500). There is no greater "security" with Paypal or any other "electronic" forms of payment. E-Bay is only trying to collect/make more money by getting in on the electronic payment format and chose Paypal because they are the most recognized. If I can not find the chips I am looking for on this message board, on any of the chip collecting web sites and/or at the yearly Vegas conventions, I will no longer collect chips.