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Re: Maybe you can sleep at night with that...

Brian, I like you, and I did not intend to indicate how I would or have acted, simply what the rule of law says. No need to get personal. And, well, I consider myself an ethical guy, and strangely, I have never faced that issue. I rarely have been offered insurance, probably because I almost always buy less expensive chips. On a more expensive chip, however, I believe I would pay for insurance (I have a couple of times), in any case. It is my understanding, however, that insurance protects and pays to the shipper, not the receiver. Therefore, it is clear that the seller is simply asking the buyer to pay for the seller's own protection. Is that ethical? Maybe if you understand the reason for the rule, then you might think differently. The rule exists because the buyer has no control over anything that happens between the time payment is given and delivery is received. The seller is free to choose any carrier they want. Typically, the buyer has no say. The carrier is an agent of the seller, theoretically working for them. The unscrupulous seller can also send damaged or inferior goods, or simply nothing at all. The buyer has no control over any of that. Thus, the seller is responsible for delivery of the goods offered in the condition offered. If the seller wants to turn the tables, and make the buyer responsible, he should definitely make sure the buyer understands what the buyer is getting into. Simply offering insurance does not do that. At least, I would never assume it would. That's why the rule stands as it does. Although I have never sought my money back after refusing insurance, I have no problem with anyone who does, unless the auction made it extremely clear that if the buyer chose not to, they bore the risk of loss. Since it is the rule in EVERY State in the United States, sellers should be aware of this rule. It is not a new or obscure rule. It is not difficult to understand. If a seller chooses to ignore the law, that is their risk, not the buyer's. And yes, I would sleep quite well following the law. By the way, if I ever thought that the seller was intending to put the risk on me, but failed to do so by a technicality, I would explain it to the seller before ever paying them, and work something out. On an $85 purchase, I would simply pay the insurance, and not bother the seller.

If you don't like the basic rule of law, you can always try petitioning your Congressmen or women. I don't think you would get too far, though, because it is a good rule of law.

Michael Siskin

Messages In This Thread

Courtesy and professionalism...a question
hit 'em with the negative.
Here are his negs...see any similarities?
This is a member?....WOW!!!
With all those negs ...
Re: With all those negs ...I was warned
WOW! Less than 30 seconds after my post...
Something positive from another member
Rick, can you post his ebay name?
email me and I will give it to you
Rick Can I have money too? LOL....
Holy Hot Controversy Batman
Isn't there a 30 time limit on feedback?
Re: Isn't there a 30 time limit on feedback?
Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
Re: Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
Re: Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
What a load of crap!
Rick Is 100% Correct
I'll bet you 100 chips that the USPS will tell any
Wrong
Let's hope it doesn't get to "a court of law" grin
Rick, I think you are way out of line.
David with all due respect...
"you are not privy to the emails"
Well David...since you ask...
A poor attitude from you also.
I disagree with you, David
Opinion noted, and I will add......
Re: A poor attitude from you also.
OK, lets be realistic for a minute.
Re: OK, lets be realistic for a minute.
Aye Carumba.....David,David,
Re: Aye Carumba.....David,David,
I was told that I could NOT insure To Canada
Priority mail to Canada is insured
Re: What a load of crap!
Wow.....
Josh.........
Re: Yes. I meant 30 day time limit.
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Re: Here is my thinking
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Send it to Vegas!
Re: Send it to Vegas!
Here is what to do.......
But who knows.......
Question for Rick
My take on "Insurance"
Re: Question for Rick
Raises a question though........
Re: Raises a question though........
At the end of the day though,
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question
Am I the only person who noticed this...?
Good Point
HOLD ON GUYS.....
Re: Am I the only person who noticed this...?
Re: Am I the only person who noticed this...?
Code of Ethics?
Re: Code of Ethics?
I agree ......
I don't want to go that route
Re: I agree ......
We Have Been Over This Before and
Just a suggestion
Everyone has an opinion, so do I
I would never ship anything of value w/o insurance
So, Rick... Care to tell the class what you've ..
I learned this:
Rick you sure have a lot of bad luck!
Since you asked for opinions, here's mine...
Why is it so hard to understand the risk of loss?
Maybe you can sleep at night with that...
I N S U R A N C E
Show me a link to the auction...
I haven't read the auction description ...
Under insurance, it says, "none"
INSURANCE WAS NOT OFFERED!
THEN WHY DID SPRAGG SAY IT WAS; AND YOU REFUSED IT
No idea and because this has gone on for far too l
Lets end this discussion..this is getting silly
Don't be a liar Rick
Re: Don't be a liar Rick
Yawn.............
Re: I N S U R A N C E
Re: Maybe you can sleep at night with that...
Oops. I didn't mean for my post...
You are a fine, upstanding guy, Brian
Re: Wherer is the basic rule of law..
It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Re: It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Re: It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Re: It's part of the Uniform Commercial Code
Yes...
Re: Yes...
Re: Yes...
Re: litigated to death long ago
Find a case that shows that I'm wrong
Here's the "UCC" From Cornell Univ Law School site
See Part 3: § 2-301 General Obligations of Parties
It's UCC section 2-509
ok here's my rebuttal argument grin ...
Nice try vbg
Re: Nice try vbg
In this case, Gene, you are wrong
Re:Sorry I pitched the fork grin
Wait, Aaron Should Be Around Soon vbg
Not that soon I wouldn't think
Who needs Aaron, anyway? We have Gene to interpret
Re: you are wrong Maybe Not!!!
ok, now you have me
Thanks, Michael.
One final point
PLease
Rich, you have holes in your example...
Re: Rich, you have holes in your example...
I guess we can agree to disagree...
Re: I guess we can agree to disagree...
arrrg!!!
I'm done.
Also I wanted to say thanks for the debate...
Here's a better example:
I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Re: I don't buy this argument..
Mailing receipt ..
Excellent point, Michael (about no insurance).
You are 100% correct , Barry
I don't agree .......................
Yes, as I noted elsewhere ...
Good grief John....
"Good grief.."? Josh shows us he offered insurance
OK HERE'S MY 2 CENTS ON THIS SUBJECT!!!!!!!!
Hmmmm...guess this isn't going away
Geez... I looked at your auction and don't see....
Re: Courtesy and professionalism...a question

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