I didn't see the thread where Doug asked John about using the design of his chip. I couldn't understand why you would think it was OK for one to do, but not the other. That is why I questioned it. In any event, in my view, the credit of design of both personals really goes to the designer of the BOB chip. I feel like when it is THAT obvious......and I think eveyone would agree, when you like at either of those two personals, you KNOW where the idea came from........the copier should realy have the permission of the person who produced the original.