Both were asked point blank if they were elected to the office of POTUS, would they guarantee our troops would be out of Iraq by the end of their first term (much less the first 13 months) and both said they could not make such a guarantee. John Edwards, same answer. The only Dem that would make that guarantee was Dennis K, and he went real far in the primaries. Of course, you won't see either Barack or Hillary using that info in their campaign commercials. It'd piss off too many people like Frank.