Gene,
I'm not looking for a concession. I'm not saying it for sure IS, I'm saying we'll probably never have irrefutable evidence either way.

If only I had a postcard of Harold's Gun Club, with these chips on the table...then I'd argue with you!

As for making sense, the Gun Club, owned by Harold's Club, works for me.

And...saying "Harold's Club, Gun Club" 10 times fast wouldn't matter. I probably couldn't say "Pioneer Club and Gambling Hall" 10 times fast without tripping up, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.