Good Morning Michael,
Against my better judgement and the possibility I will turn the discussion into a verbal "riot" I will give you my opinion based upon the information that was/is available to me.

First of all after one debates a subject like the exsistence of the "Apache Casino" one voices an opinion based upon the information one has.

Matchbooks do not make a casino. If they did the Inglers Casino in Illinois would have had gaming since it was called a casino. We know such was not the case.

Now in my opinion, the Apache Casino as a casino in concept never exsisted. What did exsist was an area carved out by the owner(s) of the property who leased this carved out gaming space to the different operators who conducted different types of games depending upon the preference of the players who wished to play. From my study of downtown this was a normal practice espcially in the Las Vegas Club and the other downtown casinos.

The operators provided the silver dollars and generic "chips" as well as later on in the 40's, 50's and 60's chips displaying the initials of the operator(s) operating the game at that specific moment in time.

In this particular example, the space leased was named the "Apache Casino". However, technically no Apache Casino ever exsisted independent of the operators who ran it.

Hence, I have a problem with the large crown chips bearing the hot stamp "Apache Casino". The information provided by T.R. King showed seven colors with this hot stamp. Las Vegas was mentioned but no address was shown supporting delivery of the chips. In addition, a few of the seven colors shown, in my opinion, are not necessarily colors of that time or period. I could be wrong. So what does this mean? NOTHING - One has to draw their own conclusions based upon uncovered information.

Secondly, look at the picture supposedly taken at the "Apache Casino" roulette game. The "chips" in use are generic in keeping with the independent operator concept.

What about the sign? Well I guess if I were an independent operator running a game I would request such a sign be made and displayed to let patrons know they could come in to my establishment and gamble. Again if you look at the "Apache Casino" pictures one can see, it appears, tight space for the gaming activity. this is hardly in keeping with the concept of a "Casino"

These are my opinions. I am willing to change my opinions if the current information warrants a change. Until proof is provided everything I have read, including current articles and research, have not changed my opinion.

Pam, I really do not care to debate this topic because I believe your opinion will not change nor will mine. Let's just leave it at that and enjoy our hobby.
Jim