distinguishing categories of fantasy/fake chips makes sense to me. If you are saying we need a separate name, and you choose counterfeits, I understand your point. If you say chips created to look like real chips after casinos have stopped using those chips, for the sake of defrauding collectors, is not actually counterfeiting, I amiably disagree. It seems similar to the new distinction of "underground chips" from "illegals," given that both are illegal. If the distinction is meaningful within the hobby, though, then a separate name makes sense. I believe, Don, you are suggesting that a distinction is useful. In that case, I have no problem with that.

Michael Siskin