coin collecting is a hobby no matter what the great orme says. i never talked about gradeing, only sealing the results of the authintication process.finally as ive stated ,the experts should be someone respected , trusted, in the chipping comm. but ,alas as long as we have zealot attack or attact dogs like you, so single mindedly apposed to any new,fresh ideas in this changing world, well i guess its useless to try. flame on , as we all know you must have the last word.