Scott this club is like a real family and sometimes family fight, It is a great club and you will see other fights in time. There are some famous fights in the past on this board but all in all its a great club and never let one bad seed spoil the barrel. Norm I dont know you and I am in no way calling you or anyone else a bad seed. Scott its worth joining and if you think not within 30 days I will refund your money. John R-6920