of played "ring" games versus the Sit & Go's...I've kept records of my wins & losses and I have done better at the "ring" games $2-$4 NLHE, $1-$2 Omaha Hi / Lo for me). I have also tried to get away from the lower limit Sit & Go's as there is definitely fewer people staying in with garbage, which also cuts down on the number of "river wins". That being said, I will note that I have also been "trapped" many more times on the higher limit Sit & Go games because of better & smarter players. Steve B