with regards to the PokerStars dramas & bad beats....especially all of the river card losses (and wins). I found it most irritating, even when I was the benefactor!! I played in a live ring game & a NL tourney about a month ago and was amazed with the number of hands that were actually won or lost on the river. I haven't whined about it since (well....not OUT LOUD, at least ). Bedo