Well Mike, although I don't agree with you on most issues, at least you finally answered my question.

I think as an employeer you must meet a living standard above poverty level.

If it is possible, I agree 100%

An employee must be exploited to some degree and recieve less compensation than they are worth to the business to keep a viable business.

I know your joshing with this point, so I won't bother even responding.

If a business loses money by paying too much then the business folds and everyone is out of work. Business should provide benefit to all, the customer, the employer and the employee. The customer should pay a fair price for goods/services, and employer should recieve a fair benefit on his investment and risk and the employee should recieve a fair wage to be able to support himself from his labors.

Again, I am in agreement.

Anyone getting too big a piece of the pie is robbing someone else of their fair share.

Define to me what too big a piece of the pie is considering the risk most small business people take.

Let's see, an employeer wants his employee to work for below standard wages because the employee is desparate, the employee can not earn enough to live and seeks help from the government and the employeer complains about governmet having to support them. And the employeer has a new BMW delivered as he sits by the pool.

I don't know of any person fitting this situation so I can't answer you. Although I do know and have seen people driving up to the unemployment office in new Cadillac's to get there checks. And see people with food stamps drive away in newer cars than I have from the supermarket.

When a busiiness is in trouble everyone should tighten their belts, when it is prosporus everyone should benefit. The second part is the one most employeers forget.

Again, I don't personally know of any employer acting this way.

Mike, I assume you have never had to meet a payroll in your lifetime, risk all your savings--past and future to be self employed, work "overtime" as you said for no wages whatsoever to finish a job, or do without in order to pay an employee his just wages.

In the words of one author, employers come from Mars and employees come from Venus (or something to that effect.) Both may want to gain the same results, but differ in how they try to get it.

And lastly, There is a "Feed The Kids" Campaign on this board, are you opposed to that too?

Of course I'm not opposed to people feeding their own kids. Nor am I opposed to feeding starving people around the world with all our excess food.

But, I also am opposed to having children in America if I can't afford to feed them myself. And if that should be the case, then they should be let out for adoption to those what are begging for children to take care of. I sure would like to see an article of someone in America dying of starvation within the last 60 years or so.