that we were discussing, Phyllis. Of course, there are many Monte Carlo chips, jetons & plaques that are not drilled. I have not seen the 20 & 40 Fr. jetons that David scanned, undrilled before. I have at least 50 different of other MC jetons and plaques that are undrilled. But, almost all of the 20 & 40 of David's type with the metal filligree were drilled to make earings and bracelets. Again, I am not writing about other jetons with metal filligree, just the 20 dark red with black mottling and the larger, 40 brown.