Gene,
Can you tell me which casinos used the gold ring hotstamp as a cancelation? The ones in question here appear to have a very thin ring. I have seen factory cancels that use a heavy/thick gold ring hotstamp (usualy on the 4 side) but these rejects can usualy be seen to be unfinished (machining marks)in some way on close inspection. Also do you know of any casino that has used a star shaped vice-punch?? I have seen factory rejects with a star presed into them (no foil)and some dice that do not apear to be rejects with the star mark? I known many rejects have a plain "VOID" on them.