Fred,

It sure helps a lot. Now I understand the game after reading your post. At the time I was rereading your post Allan McCurdy walked into the house. He plays craps a lot than any other game. He helped explain to me what you wrote.

We went to buffet dinner, were talking about last years Las Vegas conventions, the fellow chippers we met, the casinos we visited, and it was so much fun. It was first time for both of us and Ross Poppel too. This year Allan cannot come so I will be with Ross Poppel.

I am hoping the very best, meeting new chippers and making new friends and renewing old ones.

Hope very much to seeing you there.

Thank you for your help on the "diceless" crap.

Leonidas