I got these as I said at the Portobello Market; those familiar with the madcap flea market know that if you follow the road to the rr underpass that a lot of "junk" dealers set up--and that's where I got these and also a Britain's turret gun that shoots real lead shells--each for 1 pound.It was a great day until I ate lunch with a friend in an artist's apartment and while playing with my new gun, accidentally discharged it, send the heavy lead shell firing across the room into an oil painting.