I'm with you, Jim. We have reached the point of doing little more than kicking a dead horse. The few legitimate new ideas -- such as whether the Club should undertake a pro/con educational program or just ban slabbing outright -- have been lost in a lot of drivel. You may have noticed that a large majority of the posts are from 4 or 5 folks. I like you guys, but I think it is time to give it a rest.