>>>John Benedict's excellent post reminded me that "all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I feel the time has come
for me to speak. First off, I must say that James probably agrees with all or most of this based on our previous conversations, but I am
speaking for myself here. Let's tackle the Slab Monster first. There has been constant speculation as to the identity of ICG's Grader. I
will now put that issue to rest. According to his business card, ICG's "Grader and Authenticator" is Lew Larson of Englewood,
Colorado. His first name was mentioned in an early post, but nobody picked up on it. He was at the Tropicana show. I did not attend
this show. I have never met Lew Larson or anyone else from ICG, but was given his business card by a fellow chip collector. Now, on
to the real issues...<<<

Steve,
There are two graders. Do you know who the other person is???

>>>The biggest problem with the Slabbing issue is that it has become emotional. Reason has given way to a witch hunt. That hideous list is a
good example. Why is it that everytime something comes up that a group of people dislike, the first thing they want to do is demonize
their opponents and pass legislation restricting our precious freedom? In my view, that is the only issue we should be debating.<<<

Steve,
I have signed the "hideous" list. I have signed the list because I believe the slabbing issue will destroy our hobby. Your above statement does not hold water. If our club passes a resolution incorporating the statements from the "hideous" list you are free to stay a member or leave. I don't really see how your individual freedom has been restricted at all. Stay a member or leave - it couldn't be any simpler.

>>>The fate of Slabbing should be left to the harsh reality of the free market. If ICG cannot make a profit slabbing chips, then they will stop
slabbing them. It's as simple as that. If this happens, I have no problem with that. The more complicated question is what happens if
they succeed? I am sure they will get very little, if any, business from chip dealers/collectors at this point, because there is no economic
reason for us to slab our chips. Most of us store our chips in Dansco binders or cardboard flips. Slabs would require a new way of
storage. Also, the cost of slabbing a large collection would be enormous,etc. (Although, one would probably only do the better pieces.)<<<

Steve,
True, the free market will be the final word involving slabbing casino chips. However, why should it (slabbing) be given a chance to take hold without vocal opposition from those who don't want it. After all Steve, every one who signed the "hideous" list is the "free market". We are simply saying we don't want it IN OUR CLUB. We have that right to eliminate slabbing from our auction, magazine ads, and convention floor. You have YOUR RIGHT to collect slabbed chips and have your chips slabbbed. Why is an exercise of MY RIGHT a problem for you? No one is trying to ban you from collecting anything.

>>>However, I believe ICG's real game plan has not been accurately analyzed. In my opinion, they did not start this endeavor with just
chippers in mind. There are at least 100 times as many coin collectors as chip collectors. I think we can assume that this is the actual
market they intend to reach. Slabbing is going to succeed or fail (from ICG's point of view) based on whether or not they can tap into
this market. If they cannot, slabbing will die a quick and brutal death. On the other hand, we need to look carefully at what happens if
they succeed.<<<

How in the "hell" do you know what ICG's game plan is??? Do you read minds?? It may be your opinion ICG is targeting dealers but remember in chips there are no true dealers - the vast majority are dealer/collectors. A big difference in MY OPINION.

>>>Keep in mind that this slabbing issue is not a moral issue. It is an ECONOMIC issue. Period.<<<

I disagree! The destruction of our club is a moral issue. I believe "slabbing" will destroy our hobby and our club. Therefore, slabbing becomes a moral issue for me.

>>> We should be treating it as such. If coin
collectors and other investors begin buying chips, the value of chips will increase. In other words, OUR COLLECTIONS WILL GO UP
IN VALUE. What's wrong with that? When you buy a stock, do you hope it goes down in value or stagnates? We all like some of our
chips better than others. Sometimes we are forced to sell for reasons of economic distress. It is important to remember that some
members will not be able to be "buried with their chips". Also, every time you buy a chip to hold, someone has to sell it to you. Along
these lines, it is absurd to blame slabbing for escalating chip prices. Chips have increased dramatically in value over the past 5-10 years
without a single piece ever being slabbed. So, can we assume that chips may increase in value anyway, and that slabbing only affects the
rate of growth? If so, what's the big deal?<<<

Steve, the "the big deal" is: we, as collectors, don't want it. Just like we don't want your grading system. The problem with you is because we don't want either slabbing or your grading system - this bothers you. Too bad!!!

>>>My problem is the attempt to take away a future choice. I don't have any intention of buying or selling any slabbed chips now, because I
don't see a single logical reason or benefit to doing so. However, things can change. What is "obvious" now, may not be later in the
unpredictable future.<<<

Steve, I'm happy you don't have any intention of "buying or selling any slabbed chips NOW". We who signed the "hideous" list don't have any intention of buying or selling any slabbed chips EVER. Get the message???

>>>Let's probe deeper into this scenario. If chip values do rise dramatically in the coin/investor markets and outside of our normal hobby
channels, then what? If you have a chip that is suddenly worth $1000 slabbed or $500 unslabbed, what are you going to do with it?<<<

I am going to have it slabbed along with the rest of my choice pieces. Sell them to individuals who think like you and than leave the hobby. For you see Steve, the hobby will no longer be a hobby for me. It will have been taken over by the investors. You know who they are Steve don't you??

>>> Are
you going to take a $500 loss by selling it unslabbed? If so, you are going to run out of material quickly! I bet that list will have more
defectors than Saddam Hussein's army during the Gulf War! Of course, this will lead to hard feelings and bloody infighting in our Club.<<<

Not really. Many of us will have left the hobby long before any such infighting takes place.

>>>Is that what you want? If slabbing becomes widespread this is inevitable, because sellers always seek ideal, or near ideal, returns. And if
you don't, the next guy will. Think about that, clearly, devoid of emotion.<<

I have. That's why many of us will leave the hobby. Yes, we will be devoid of emotion. The "slabbers" will have destroyed the hobby. No emotion will be necessary.

>>>For the record, I have serious doubts that slabbing is going to succeed. However, unless I woke up in Cuba today, I don't need or want
Jim Reilly and his handpicked band of yes men (Neal Silverman and Marty Kaplan) telling me what economic decisions I am allowed to
make. I prefer to use my own brain and make my own decisions. Jim Reilly claims to be a Libertarian, but that is ludicrous. Jim
correctly assumed that he could shore up a base of support by coming out against slabbing. I was amused at his contention that he was
"taking a chance" by coming out so strongly and quickly. Give me a break, Jim. After two solid years of vitriol on this board against
grading systems and slabbing by so many people, Nostradamus was not required to predict the outcome! No real Libertarian would ever
propose solving a problem by restricting individual freedom. That is the exact opposite of what the Libertarian philosophy is all about.
Enough said on that point.<<<

No comment by me. I will let this paragraph speak for itself.

>>>Some of you will say, "But the majority wants slabs banned!" That argument impresses me about as much as thirty men voting to rape
twenty women on a deserted island and claiming it was good policy because 60% of the islanders voted for it. Our original Constitution
was set up to try and prevent mob rule, but over time, greed and emotion elected politicians with socialist beliefs. That gave us the
income tax in 1913, Prohibition in 1919 (the best argument against banning anything!), the giant welfare state, etc. etc. Freedom, even in
a small chip club election, is not something to be taken lightly.<<<

Yes Steve, Freedom should never be taken lightly. Tell me my friend - what branch of the military did you serve in? I served in the Army to preserve our freedom. Not allowing slabbed chips in our club auctions, magazine ads and on the convention floor is not preventing you from owning such items. "slabbed" chips will merely be placed along with coins and non-casino related items as prohibited. I don't see it as a problem. If you wish to buy or sell slabbed chips - do it elsewhere. Not on our convention floor!

>>>Therefore, I urge those who believe in Chip Freedom to vote for Nate Pincus. I am concerned that the Freedom vote will be split
between Nate and Jim Steffner (a very good man in his own right). However, tough choices have to be made and we must make them
now. I join Convention Chairman Wayne Thompson, Magazine Editor John Yee, President David Sarles, James Campiglia, Secretary
Barry Weintraub, and many others in pledging my vote to Nate Pincus. I have spoken with him at length several times about club issues
and was impressed with his logical mind and approach to problem-solving. He would not be as devisive as Jim Reilly.<<<

Steve, you are free to endorse Nate. Nate is a good man. I like Nate. However, I don't agree with him on this issue. Unlike you, I believe this IS a one issue election. I have not read any public endorsement by Wayne Thompson or John Yee or James Campiglia. Have you been appointed by them as spokeperson???

>>>Personally, I have been involved with Nate on several large chip deals and can assure everyone that he is as honest and responsible as he
is a real gentleman. He has never proposed any legislation that would restrict freedom of choice. Therefore, he is my choice. Can a
good, calm, soft-spoken man like Nate Pincus be elected in a time of mass hysteria and needless panic? For our sake, and our Club's
sake, I hope so!<<<

Steve,
Thank you for letting us know where you stand. I am sure it will help many undecided voters who read this board to make up their minds.