Gene, You have been very helpful. I will become a pest however. Your last post you asked me if I rally wanted to know about the true value or if my chip from the Lucky Nevada Club was real. I do want to know for only one reason. I paid only $21.00 for this chip and if for some reason I wanted to trade or sell it I dont want to decieve anyone, especially in this club. If I find it to be a fake, so be it. No real loss. However, if there are others out there who have a chip they doubt is real maybe a second opinion would be appropriate. I am willing to send the chip to you or any other qualified expert to evaluate and would pay an appropriate fee for evaluation. With the descrepencies I read on TCR about dates I want some more answers. I went to the links on Borland and didnt find what I was seeking. Sorry Gene, a rookie is bugging you for more answers! Thanks, Don R4288