Hi Paul, I know what you mean, but at least with the weight we have a fighting chance were as with smoking there is no doubt of the out come. There is some property that Clyde and I want very badly. If we get it, we will be loosing lots of weight from all the work that will be involved. Repairing fences, building pens, re-arranging some rocks, tearing down an old house, building a bridge over a creek, lots of fun stuff. Either that or it will kill us. But there is the comfort in knowing we died "healthier". <g>