... concerns that motivated my proposal, Jim. I also agree with Gene's recommendation that this be taken to the membership.

The objective I had in mind WAS a "pre-emptive strike" against a more detailed system. I share the "camel" concern; but fear a chip collecting variation on the "nature abhors a vacuum" theme. As long as there is no grading system, there will be pressure from somewhere to create one.

Nevertheless, as I will say in response to Larry's message, I think I could live with a clearly stated set of definitional terms which are similar in nature to my proposed "grading" terms. In essence, my proposal is nothing more than a series of definitions of some terms which can be used to describe chips in any event.

Let me make one thing clear -- I have no particular pride of authorship in the concept, the terminology or the specific definitions. I advanced this proposal as a starting point in arriving at a consensus among chip COLLECTORS as to what they want in this regard. I welcome the many comments which are being made in this thread and look forward to further discussion of the issue (on the boards and at the convention).

Thanks for sharing with us. ----- JimBo2 o\-S