Jim, we could go on and on. I think I could respond to your points, but at what gain. You feel shill bidding is perfectly acceptable, I don't. I wonder what the results would be if a poll were taken asking 2 questions: 1) are you a collector, dealer, or both; 2)do you feel that the practice of shill bidding is perfectly acceptable.

With respect to your second point: I hope to be at the convention buying chips with both hands (of course at a show the price you see is the maximum you will pay not the minimum).