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Oh, damn, I wanted to stay out of this ...

... but I can't.

After reading Paul's post, I consulted with #1 son (who is house counsel for Mindscape, a division of The Learning Company, which is now owned by Mattel -- this is really getting confusing -- and who is married to house counsel for IMSI, another computer software company).

He was AMAZED at the license/copyright language which appears on the Wilson Software (BTW, I own Turbo Texas Hold 'Em, purchased from Wilson Software just before the convention, but not delivered until after, which of course is the reason Tony won the poker tournament and not I <g> -- and the point here is that I can confirm that Paul's quotation of the license terms is exactly correct).

Mindscape and IMSI both have license agreements which run to a full page or more in their User Guides. Their license agreements essentially prohibit ANY transfer of the software (even loaning it) except where the original purchaser retains no part of or copy of any part of the program. Other major software companies probably have similar provisions, though I haven't checked.

To get back to the point, the Wilson license agreement is woefully inadequate. If it was written by a lawyer, he/she should be practicing some other kind of law than intellectual property. Given the license agreement as written, what Paul proposed doing would not even be a violation of that agreement, much less a theft, Larry's impassioned (and otherwise well-reasoned) argument notwithstanding.

If Steve were to receive and make a copy of the program, THAT would constitute a copyright violation ... with all of the attendant ramifications that entails.

A personal observation: I suspect that Wilson Software is a small company, more likely to be hurt by pirating than a bigger company. I like the Hold 'Em program and would recommend it to anyone else who wants to buy a copy.

----- jim o\-S

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Wanted to trade chips for Wilson Poker Software.
Re: Wanted to trade chips for Wilson Poker Softwar
Re: Wanted to trade chips for Wilson Poker Softwar
Re: Don't bother trying to put me on a guilt trip.
Re: Don't bother trying to put me on a guilt trip.
Re: Don't bother trying to justify stealing.
Re: Don't bother trying to justify stealing.
Re: KMW Do Not Read This Thread!!!!!
Re: I don't need to justify what I am doing
Re: I don't need to justify what I am doing
Oh, damn, I wanted to stay out of this ...
Re: Oh, damn, I wanted to stay out of this ...
How your profession clouds perspective!
Re: How your profession clouds perspective!
Does this mean you don't collect rouletes?
Re: Does this mean you don't collect rouletes?
well said
Re: well said
Re: well said
Coders are making people copy programs!
Re: Assistance with viewing Excel spreadsheets
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Legal/Moral Convictions
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Personal Attacks / Moral Convictions ?
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Re: final response
Re: Final, final response
Re: Personal Attacks / Moral Convictions ?
Re: Problem gamblers
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Re: Moral Convictions vs. Personal Attacks
Re: Oh, damn, I wanted to stay out of this ...
Re: Oh, damn, I wanted to stay out of this ...
Malum in se & malum prohibitum
Re: Malum in se & malum prohibitum
Re: Malum in se & malum prohibitum
Good Point, Larry ...
Re: Oh, damn, I wanted to stay out of this ...
Re: Inquiring minds ...
Re: Inquiring minds ... LONG Response
Re: Inquiring minds ... LONG Response
Moving to the archives ??
Re: So basically that's why ...
O.J. is a free man today ...
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One more prosecution mistake ...
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