John, If your note pertained to me asking Jerry Birl to enter this discussion, you are right on. I would love to hear what R.I.C.H. has to say about this thread. I am not goading anyone, nor do I want to create havoc here or any place else. If someone reads one of my posts & gets upset with what I have to say, it's on him not me. I am responsible for my own feelings and nobody elses. If I make a personal attack in a public forum, it's on me. I try not to mince words but rarely have I purposely made any public attacks. If you were not referring to me, please pardon my paranoid ideation.